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Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 3:51 am
by JuliaDee
rsilvers wrote:
The recommendation was to use PLA for support if you wanted to disolve it (but that required a very expensive machine from them).
$175:

http://www.amazon.com/Kendal-Commercial ... ultrasonic
Omg yet another piece of cool shop equipment I need to own... I need a bigger shop!

Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 4:09 am
by Lawrence
Hi Julia
I have already had to upsize my workspace. With all the cool gear available to tempt us, I might soon need to rent a warehouse ... and it's only a hobby for me.

Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 5:32 am
by rsilvers

Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 10:04 am
by roller
Lawrence wrote:Hi Julia
I have already had to upsize my workspace. With all the cool gear available to tempt us, I might soon need to rent a warehouse ... and it's only a hobby for me.
I'll move to Melbourne so we can share! I've already gone from my small store room to taking over my study to now taking over the whole garage. My poor car has to sleep outside!

The CNC builds carry the most blame for my space builds though having 3-4 3D printers at any time doesn't help :)

Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 1:14 pm
by Lawrence
Hi Roller.
I closed in my carport to turn it into a workshop. So, my car is out in the weather also. Now I am using the workshop and a bungalow. I don't really have to worry about space, because when my wife gets fed up with it all and moves out I will have the whole house to use.
Regards
Lawrence

Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 3:41 pm
by kozlojak
markloane, can you post the settings you used for KISSlicer?

Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 12:55 pm
by RobGer
I sold my UP! Plus when I ordered a CubeX Trio. Big mistake!

I havent managed to print a decent part yet. I believe this product was released prematurely and I highly recommend you see it print first hand per fore purchasing this machine to avoid disappointment. 3D Systems told me my expectations were to high but I based my expectations on parts I printed with my UP! Plus printer. The software is very buggy & places supports in mid air so printing anything with a ledge is an immediate fail.
The hardware is also pretty poor too. My screen keeps displaying garbled information and now my controller board is dead rendering the printer useless.

Anyway, my advice is stay away from this printer for now at least. Maybe in 6 months when they sort all the bugs out it might be an option.
You will see a lot of media reviews from CES2013 but not too many if any from actual users of the machine. A lot of hype created by 3D systems to sell machines. They are very good at controlling the press too. No forum on their web page to shut up bad press.

I requested a refund from 3D Systems on the basis that the printer doesn't meet advertised specification & they told me they they do not guarantee this spec as it's a consumer product. Does this mean they can publish anything?

I hope my rant saves others from loosing their money on this printer.

Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 5:06 pm
by rsilvers
New photo of QU-BD Revolution (non XL):

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Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 12:10 am
by JuliaDee
[quote="rsilvers"]New photo of QU-BD Revolution (non XL):

This is an awesome deal at $799. I wonder why they went with screw drive on this one and the RPM but belts on the XL...

Can't wait for my XL to arrive.

julia

Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 12:14 am
by rsilvers
The real question is why did they make that one at all when the RXL is a bunch larger and only $200 more. Almost no one bought the smaller one.

Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 2:24 pm
by roller
This is an awesome deal at $799. I wonder why they went with screw drive on this one and the RPM but belts on the XL...
Screws were probably used on the little one to make it "dual purpose" capable i.e. CNC and 3D printer but on a bigger printer using screws really kills your speed/accelaration as you must accel/decelerate the longer heavier screws. One of my repraps is 300mm screws based and the max acceleration I can squeeze out of it even without the load of a printhead is pretty lame. That lack of acceleration in turn makes it more difficult to not get blobbing on sharp corners etc.

Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 1:39 am
by rsilvers
Yes, the screws can handle the side forces of milling but are slower for 3D printing. They claim 150mm/sec for the RPM and 500 for the RXL. But I bet that when I get the RPM and test it, I will conclude that it should almost never be run above 150mm/sec. They have never done a public demo above 150. But that is ok, because I have determined that my Printrbot needs to stay in the 5-30 mm/sec range (mostly 10).

Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 1:55 am
by JuliaDee
rsilvers wrote:Yes, the screws can handle the side forces of milling but are slower for 3D printing. They claim 150mm/sec for the RPM and 500 for the RXL. But I bet that when I get the RPM and test it, I will conclude that it should almost never be run above 150mm/sec. They have never done a public demo above 150. But that is ok, because I have determined that my Printrbot needs to stay in the 5-30 mm/sec range (mostly 10).
Anyone have any idea of the rough head speed of the Up, for reference?

julia

Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 9:50 am
by EllenFremn
Cubex is perfect for printing.It's Print parts are as impressive as a ball -up to 10.8" x 10.45" x 9.5" or 275 mm x 265 mm x 240 mm and likewise ,it have elite part painting apparatus with paintbrush simplicity,18 vibrant shades ready in both print materials (Abs & Pla) and over 4000 remarkable shade fusions.

Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 10:57 am
by wilsonj
JuliaDee wrote:
rsilvers wrote:Yes, the screws can handle the side forces of milling but are slower for 3D printing. They claim 150mm/sec for the RPM and 500 for the RXL. But I bet that when I get the RPM and test it, I will conclude that it should almost never be run above 150mm/sec. They have never done a public demo above 150. But that is ok, because I have determined that my Printrbot needs to stay in the 5-30 mm/sec range (mostly 10).
Anyone have any idea of the rough head speed of the Up, for reference?

julia
Julia, I compared the speed to my other printer and it seemed on normal to be around 60mm/s

Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 11:51 am
by JuliaDee
wilsonj wrote:
JuliaDee wrote:
rsilvers wrote:Yes, the screws can handle the side forces of milling but are slower for 3D printing. They claim 150mm/sec for the RPM and 500 for the RXL. But I bet that when I get the RPM and test it, I will conclude that it should almost never be run above 150mm/sec. They have never done a public demo above 150. But that is ok, because I have determined that my Printrbot needs to stay in the 5-30 mm/sec range (mostly 10).
Anyone have any idea of the rough head speed of the Up, for reference?

julia
Julia, I compared the speed to my other printer and it seemed on normal to be around 60mm/s
Thanks, Jamie! I think 150mm/s is going to seem rather fast when the RXL arrives :)

Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 11:54 am
by JuliaDee
JuliaDee wrote:
wilsonj wrote:
Julia, I compared the speed to my other printer and it seemed on normal to be around 60mm/s
Thanks, Jamie! I think 150mm/s is going to seem rather fast when the RXL arrives :)
Although I do actually use my Up almost exclusively on "Fast" setting, finding little difference between 'Fast", "Normal", and "Fine" on most of the stuff I print.

Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 2:53 pm
by roller
Not exactly much of a speed difference between fast and normal either.

Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 1:00 am
by Lawrence
Hi all
Any one thinking of getting the Cubex might consider this new model from Mbot: http://www.mbot3d.com/collections/3d-pr ... -lead-time
  • Metal chassis
    Build Platform: 260x230x200mm
    Layer thickness 0.1-0.3mm
    Support ABS/PLA
    Single Head
    Uses ReplicatorG (a modified version of that used by Makerbot)
    Half the price of the Cubex and $1000 less that the Replicator 2
I will be ordering one in the next couple of weeks.
But, my Up! won't be neglected. There are some things the Up! can do that this one can't do.
Regards
Lawrence

Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 3:48 am
by JuliaDee
Lawrence wrote: http://www.mbot3d.com/collections/3d-pr ... -lead-time
Half the price of the Cubex and $1000 less that the Replicator 2
And $400 more than the Revolution XL, without the Revolution's ability to expand to dual-extruders.

http://store.qu-bd.com/product.php?id_product=44

(Although I don't know how much it'd cost to get one to Oz!)

julia