UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

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Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Post by roller » Sun May 19, 2013 12:47 pm

Yeah, Allesandro and I were discussing how the Up! did it's removal about 12 months ago ... that's why I was of the opinion it didn't use cooling but having owned an Up! it may be a factor though not the only factor. But I dont think it would cool the last layer of support though - it would cool the first layer of proper print above the support. I would fit with the issues I've seen in one corner. But I agree, I don't think temp is the major factor.

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Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Post by wilsonj » Sun May 19, 2013 4:49 pm

You could monitor the impedance of the heater during printing to see if and when it changes. But my money is on other factors.
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Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Post by roller » Tue May 21, 2013 2:40 am

rsilvers wrote:This looks really good:

http://www.3ders.org//articles/20130520 ... inter.html
Certainly the previous model Type A machines have had good reports as being good kit.

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Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Post by hajime » Wed May 22, 2013 1:36 am

I recall somebody were going to try out the latest version of the software for the CubeX Trio and let us know if the software has fixed the issues. Any update on that?

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Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Post by rsilvers » Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:10 am

While waiting for my QU-BD, I decided to build a TAZ from scratch:

My build log:
http://www.matter-replicator.com/forum/ ... p=288#p288

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Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Post by roller » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:45 am

rsilvers wrote:While waiting for my QU-BD, I decided to build a TAZ from scratch:

My build log:
http://www.matter-replicator.com/forum/ ... p=288#p288
Just out of curiosity - do you actually own an Up?

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Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Post by rsilvers » Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:47 pm

No. My friend has one at work and if I could go back in time, I would have bought an Up! when it first came out.

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Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Post by JuliaDee » Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:39 pm

The TAZ looks cool, good luck with it. Getting tired of waiting for my QU-BD as well. I understand that stuff happens and none of these startups seems to have any ability to accurately project schedules, but it would at least be courteous and professional if they'd send out an occasional email to let customers (who have paid in advance) know about the delays (now 8 weeks instead of the initial estimate of 4 weeks) and to provide updated projected ship dates. I sent them an email the other day saying just that and so far have not received a reply. Very disappointed, since at first they seemed to be quite professional.

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Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Post by rsilvers » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:48 pm

They posted more photos of them building them with close to 40 RXLs being made.

My friend is printing my larger TAZ parts on the Up!

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Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Post by roller » Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:52 am

While waiting for my QU-BD, I decided to build a TAZ from scratch:
Can I ask why you went for a TAZ. Lulzbot does great printers for sure but I wanted what specifically attracted you to the TAZ?

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Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Post by rsilvers » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:02 am

I wanted a delta printer, but not one from laser cut wood, and the Kossel Pro kit is not out yet. Even so, the print area is not all that big.

I like aluminum extrusions, and this one was appealing:

http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:41967

But then someone asked me why not just make a TAZ (it is 12x12x12 print volume)? I looked into the BOM cost, and was told it would be $960 - which was hundreds more than the OB 1.4 BOM cost, so I ruled out the TAZ at first. That was too close to the cost of my upcoming QU-BD RPM.

But then I studied the BOM more, and decided it was really only about $150 more than the OB 1.4, and 3 times more volume.

So what attracted me was that it was a big printer that used extrusions that seemed build-able and rigid.

It has not been difficult to self-source - start by ordering the hardware (nuts/bolts) all from one place - bolt depot.

Get the electronics and motors from Lulzbot.

Get the heater from QU-BD.

Get the frame from Misumi - I give the part numbers.

Print the printed parts.

Bearings from eBay.

Screw thread and rods from McMaster.

That is 90% of it right there.

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Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Post by roller » Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:00 pm

Fair enough ... I spit out mostly Mendel90s for people who want a printer. It's dead cheap, fast and easy to build, accurate and print volume is reasonable but no TAZ. I'd probably dabble in some deltas but extrusions like Misumi are extremely costly here.

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Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Post by rsilvers » Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:25 pm

roller wrote:Fair enough ... I spit out mostly Mendel90s for people who want a printer. It's dead cheap, fast and easy to build, accurate and print volume is reasonable but no TAZ. I'd probably dabble in some deltas but extrusions like Misumi are extremely costly here.
The 15x15mm extrusion for a OB 1.4 is just $23 - and that is with it being custom cut by Misumi. For the TAZ, it is like $55 - as it is 20x20mm and tapped on the ends and black anodized.

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Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Post by rsilvers » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:34 pm

To go from 1 to 2 extruders is an extra $500. And to go from 1 to 3 is an extra $1500!

With my build I can go from 1 to 3 for an extra $250.

http://cubify.com/cubex/store.aspx

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Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Post by rsilvers » Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:37 pm

My friend is printing the TAZ parts that are too large for my Printrbot Simple on an Up!:

If you have an Up!, you can make a TAZ (that normally sells for $2200) for about $800. It has 9.5x the build volume of an Up! Plus.

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Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Post by roller » Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:41 am

The 15x15mm extrusion for a OB 1.4 is just $23 - and that is with it being custom cut by Misumi. For the TAZ, it is like $55 - as it is 20x20mm and tapped on the ends and black anodized.
In the US sure ... but in Australia where such extrusions are less popular and there is less an economy of scale I'd be paying at least double and probably more like triple any of those prices.

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Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Post by rsilvers » Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:29 pm

I bet it would cost me a lot more to get acrylic or MDF cut in small quantities.

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Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Post by roller » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:23 am

rsilvers wrote:I bet it would cost me a lot more to get acrylic or MDF cut in small quantities.
It would generally cost you less for everything but in the case of MDF or acrylic you could probably by a sheet and have it laser cut for less than we pay for a sheet. Such materials are seriously expensive for us ... and is part of the reason 3D printing is so wonderful for us ... we can make all the widgets that usually cost a fortune because they are imported in such small quantities. It sucks for Making.

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Re: UP! Plus or CubeX Trio

Post by rsilvers » Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:20 pm

Here to custom laser cut parts will cost a lot. But you can buy a laser-cut PRUSA i3 board set for $40 - which seems like a reasonable price, but that is still more than the $23 for extrusions for an OB 1.4.

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