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Form Futura Flex EcoPLA

Post by JuliaDee » Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:34 am

I just received a spool of this today and am happy as a clam - finally, a usable elastomeric material! First print, right off the bat at 210C with the stock Afinia feeder/extruder, fine mode, and 0.3mm exceeded all my expectations. Great adhesion (both to the glass/glue-stick platform and inter-layer), excellent vertical alignment/stability and Z-detail, nice (glossy) black finish, excellent bridging, and not-too-difficult support removal. Perfect feed, no signs of slipping or clogging. Some X-Y detail is definitely lost; I'm not sure why that is. May need to drop the temp another notch or two.

Hardness feels very close to what they spec: 45 Shore D. Not smooshy or gummy; more like a moderately hard rubber. A little too hard for a gripp-y rubber foot, maybe, but a very useful material in any case.

http://www.formfutura.com/3d-printing/f ... black.html
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Re: Form Futura Flex EcoPLA

Post by doraemon » Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:09 am

Sounds intriguing. The stuff I'd like to make out of rubber are too small to print on the UP!, though. I wonder if we can print belts out of this?

Nuts, I just noticed they don't take AMEX, so I have no way to buy it for work unless I do so out-of-pocket. :(

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Post by JuliaDee » Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:10 am

Yes, I think workable belts could be printed with this. It's very tough.

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Post by JuliaDee » Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:13 am

doraemon wrote:Nuts, I just noticed they don't take AMEX, so I have no way to buy it for work unless I do so out-of-pocket. :(
Jaime at 3D Printergear sells it from Australia, maybe he takes Amex...

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Re: Form Futura Flex EcoPLA

Post by wilsonj » Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:37 am

Hi Julia, Glad it all arrived OK.

Sorry, don't take Amex either!
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Post by doraemon » Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:47 pm

Yeah, I have to use AMEX for work purchases unless it's a firm that will take a PO. But, the only way to get a PO issued is if said firm is in our system and Purchasing won't add firms for one-off purchases.

If the material is promising enough, I may have to bite the bullet and buy it out-of-pocket. I wonder if it would work to print O-rings with ribbed cross-sections? Does the support come off easily?

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Post by JuliaDee » Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:41 pm

doraemon wrote:I wonder if it would work to print O-rings with ribbed cross-sections? Does the support come off easily?
I think it will depend on the size of the o-ring and ribs as to how much detail you'll get. I haven't experimented extensively yet, but it's very promising.

I wouldn't say support comes of "easily", but it is possible to remove most or all of it by just yanking on it, without having to cut. Bridging is excellent, too, so it should be possible to use minimal support for a lot of things. This might be one of those materials that benefits from a fan blowing across the print; haven't tried that yet.

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Post by JuliaDee » Wed Sep 18, 2013 6:26 pm

0.3mm layer height, "Fine" mode, 210C, 3-layer surface.
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Re: Form Futura Flex EcoPLA

Post by twocycler » Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:56 pm

It looks like you printed a face mill! Nice nail color too! :D

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Post by JuliaDee » Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:00 pm

twocycler wrote:It looks like you printed a face mill!
Nope, it's a cymbal sleeve.
twocycler wrote:Nice nail color too!
Thanks! Not my usual, but change is healthy :)

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Re: Form Futura Flex EcoPLA

Post by roller » Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:04 am

Very interesting material.

Julia, how good is the layer adhesion. Can it be torn apart or does it delaminate easily?

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Post by JuliaDee » Thu Sep 19, 2013 1:40 pm

roller wrote:Very interesting material.

Julia, how good is the layer adhesion. Can it be torn apart or does it delaminate easily?
Layer adhesion feels very strong. I don't think I could pull this piece apart if I tried (but I haven't really tried). I yanked on it quite hard ripping the support out of the central cavity, and the part itself showed no weakness.

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Re: Form Futura Flex EcoPLA

Post by roller » Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:38 pm

I was afraid you'd say that ... another filament I must have... looks like I'm eating noodles for another week.

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Re: Form Futura Flex EcoPLA

Post by wilsonj » Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:34 pm

Roller, get the cheap noodles. T-Glase is now in stock too! :D
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Re: Form Futura Flex EcoPLA

Post by roller » Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:38 am

Oh no. Well if I drop a subject this semester then I can afford it and now i desperately want both. Maybe I should sell my collection of thumbwheels as temp mods and make 10 people happy (the tenth being me with new rolls of filament).

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Re: Form Futura Flex EcoPLA

Post by EM-creations » Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:39 am

Too bad this won't work on an Up! Mini; how to get 210°C?

Could find lots of use for it tho'...

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Post by JuliaDee » Sun Dec 01, 2013 3:06 pm

EM-creations wrote:Too bad this won't work on an Up! Mini; how to get 210°C?

Could find lots of use for it tho'...
Same as we do on the Up Plus - put resistors in series with the hot end thermocouple. I don't have a mini so I don't know the physical constraints but I'm pretty sure that electrically it works the same.

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Post by JuliaDee » Sun Dec 01, 2013 3:08 pm

Also, I have found that the Flex Eco material actually comes from a company called DSM and its official name is "Arnitel". Form Futura re-brands it.

http://www.dsm.com/en_US/open_innovatio ... co-ani.jsp

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Re: Form Futura Flex EcoPLA

Post by EM-creations » Sun Dec 01, 2013 4:34 pm

JuliaDee wrote:
EM-creations wrote:Too bad this won't work on an Up! Mini; how to get 210°C?

Could find lots of use for it tho'...
Same as we do on the Up Plus - put resistors in series with the hot end thermocouple. I don't have a mini so I don't know the physical constraints but I'm pretty sure that electrically it works the same.

julia
I see, well I only have mine since 2 weeks. I think it's safer to keep it all original for now...

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