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Up! Quality question

Post by jensen » Mon May 28, 2012 5:40 am

Hey everyone,

I am very interested in possibly purchasing an UP! 3D printer in the near future. Currently I have my models printed by a company abroad ( as I am in the United States) I have no complaints but I simply desire to "take out the middleman". Many of the printers I have looked at are pretty expensive, only a select few such as up are within a realistic price range for me right now. Anyways, would anyone be willing to print a model for me if I send them the required .obj file? I would like to see what the outcome is to determine the quality. I am essentially going to be giving whomever the smallest scaled model I currently have or likely ever will have, its print size cannot or should not exceed 25.5MM in height.
Gob Phase 4 (4).jpg
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I will be willing to pay of course. I sent the UP! company a similar email and request but they never responded. Perhaps that should tell me something in itself.

Thanks for the help. Anyone interested just respond with any questions and how to get in touch with you.

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Re: Up! Quality question

Post by TTT험ทดสอบ » Mon May 28, 2012 8:24 am

Hello jensen,

The detail of your model is too small for the UP! printer or other extrude 3d printer. The minimum feature of UP is 0.5~1mm.

It is better if the height of the monster is over 100mm.

darkhouse

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Re: Up! Quality question

Post by jensen » Mon May 28, 2012 4:20 pm

Hey Darkhouse, thanks for the reply. What exactly is an extrude printer? The company that does the models now uses a printer that seems to be powder based and creates a resin, I have only seen it done via youtube.
As far as printers go I am pretty ignorant to just about everything pertaining to them, I only know what I need to do to make the models print ready. So any information on which printer might be best for me or anything like that would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Up! Quality question

Post by Marcus » Mon May 28, 2012 9:29 pm

I print small things all the time, but nothing as sophisticated as your model :-)
Some things turn out amazingly detailed on the UP ( http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:7198 - brick pattern ) but I am afraid your figure is just too detailed probably.
At 2,5cm your figure will be recognizable, but the fine details will be lost. Sounds like a job for high quality commercial machine & lost wax casting...
There are machines (3D Wax Printers) that have ~0.01mm layers and ~800DPI (!)

Otherwise, there are three popular types of "3D printer":
FDM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fused_deposition_modeling
SLS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_laser_sintering
Optical methods like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereolithography

FDM: Glue gun on steroids ;-) Thin plastic rod is melted and the "paste" will be placed layer for layer, creating your object.
FDM is the most common for home use as it is relativly clean, inexpensive and the parts can be used for many things. Material is cheap too.

SLS: A laser melts powder (nylon for example), adds another fine layer of powder, and so on. The benifits are fine resolution, no support material necessary and left over powder can be reused over and over (in theory).

Optical has very nice detail resolution. There are some projects like B9Creator which seem promising, as machines and resin are usualy very expensive. But it is not a store-ready product (yet?). Storing the resin, cleaning things and the printer etc. sound like soething that has to be considered though.
FDM is much more user friendly.

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Re: Up! Quality question

Post by jensen » Mon May 28, 2012 9:50 pm

Thanks for the information Marcus. Would you be interested in earning some extra cash and doing a few trial runs for me at a couple of different sizes? I can lower the poly count on the model, that is easy enough, I am just very curious as what it will look like, or what details will hold at different sizes. Price wise the Up! is great for me, I am just hoping It can do what I need it to do. Adjusting the models isn't a problem, I wish I didn't have to , but there is always a give and take with anything.

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Re: Up! Quality question

Post by Marcus » Tue May 29, 2012 3:52 am

Sure, i can try tomorrow- you won't have to alter the model unless parts of the main structure would be too thin. Otherwise details just won't show, no need to reduce poly count.

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Re: Up! Quality question

Post by jensen » Tue May 29, 2012 10:57 am

Do you have skype Marcus? So I can give you the file, get your paypal information and just generally bother you with any 3D printing questions lol. If so feel free to add me, jdblair5.

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Re: Up! Quality question

Post by Marcus » Tue May 29, 2012 5:19 pm

I've sent you a message via this Forum :-)

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Re: Up! Quality question

Post by juancr » Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:20 pm

Hello. I'm thinking about buying an UP, so could any of you post a photo of the pirnted piece?
Thanks!!
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Re: Up! Quality question

Post by amd-tec » Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:58 pm

juancr wrote:Hello. I'm thinking about buying an UP, so could any of you post a photo of the pirnted piece?
Thanks!!
JuanCR
Hi, here`s few pictures. Model height is 125mm.
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closer details
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with support back
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with support front
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Re: Up! Quality question

Post by amd-tec » Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:02 pm

juancr wrote:Hello. I'm thinking about buying an UP, so could any of you post a photo of the pirnted piece?
Thanks!!
JuanCR
And here`s the final part wit no support.
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Re: Up! Quality question

Post by juancr » Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:03 pm

Thank you very much amd-tec, it looks very nice.
I strongly think next week I will purchase an UP :mrgreen:
Have you to repit any print usually or every prints goes good at first attempt?
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Re: Up! Quality question

Post by amd-tec » Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:06 pm

juancr wrote:Thank you very much amd-tec, it looks very nice.
I strongly think next week I will purchase an UP :mrgreen:
Have you to repit any print usually or every prints goes good at first attempt?
No problems, glad you liked. I recommend the UP! 3D printer.
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Re: Up! Quality question

Post by amd-tec » Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:08 pm

juancr wrote:Thank you very much amd-tec, it looks very nice.
I strongly think next week I will purchase an UP :mrgreen:
Have you to repit any print usually or every prints goes good at first attempt?
Usually they printed out fine with first run.
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Re: Up! Quality question

Post by amd-tec » Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:12 pm

juancr wrote:Thank you very much amd-tec, it looks very nice.
I strongly think next week I will purchase an UP :mrgreen:
Have you to repit any print usually or every prints goes good at first attempt?
The critical point is when you start to remove support, thin surfaces could go broken.
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Re: Up! Quality question

Post by amd-tec » Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:15 pm

juancr wrote:Thank you very much amd-tec, it looks very nice.
I strongly think next week I will purchase an UP :mrgreen:
Have you to repit any print usually or every prints goes good at first attempt?
You find more UP! printed parts/pics on my websites.

Thanks,

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Re: Up! Quality question

Post by juancr » Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:21 pm

Thank you again, but I have a little problem with your web site language :oops: :mrgreen:
But Mr. Google helps me
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Re: Up! Quality question

Post by amd-tec » Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:58 pm

juancr wrote:Thank you again, but I have a little problem with your web site language :oops: :mrgreen:
But Mr. Google helps me
:D , I think you are not the only one who have used google to translate.
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Re: Up! Quality question

Post by JuliaDee » Sat Jul 28, 2012 2:33 pm

juancr wrote:Thank you very much amd-tec, it looks very nice.
I strongly think next week I will purchase an UP :mrgreen:
Have you to repit any print usually or every prints goes good at first attempt?
The Up! is an excellent machine, with good, easy-to-use, integrated software (something no other low-cost printer has). Results "out-of-the-box" are very good, but you can improve them if you are inclined to "hot rod" your machine a bit. See other threads in this forum or search Thingiverse for "Up". You will probably want Wind Barrier v7 or v8 to provide cooling air to the nozzle, which improves fine detail and makes support easier. Drew Petitclerc's machined extruder head bracket is a great improvement for fine detail also but costs $150 if you buy it from him and requires enlarging the Y-axis slot in the printer or else cutting a clearance slot in the bracket itself per José's suggestion.

Sometimes it takes a few tries to get the support options just right for a particular part, but the defaults are almost always a good starting point.

In any case I don't think you will regret buying an Up!, I have had an amazing amount of fun and productivity with mine.

Good luck,
Julia

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Re: Up! Quality question

Post by juancr » Sat Jul 28, 2012 2:47 pm

Thanks JuliaDee. More I read here most I convince to buy it.
It seems I could say good bye headaches with prints :mrgreen:
Thanks to all.
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