Compairing cubify to up, any thaoughts?

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Compairing cubify to up, any thaoughts?

Post by hpearson » Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:43 am

Ok so I do not own a 3d printer(yet) but I am looking to get one. I wanted to see what people thought of http://cubify.com/index.aspx and how it compares to the UP Plus.

I am worried about the price per cartridge for the cube and possibly limited software.
however it will be cheaper $1300, even after the recent up printer price drop.

By the looks of it the cube has better detail, would any printer be adequate enough for war hammer type figs?



Please let me know what you guys think / feel / know.


I am mostly going to use a 3d printer to print 3d models from games using: http://www.deep-shadows.com/hax/3DRipperDX.htm

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Re: Compairing cubify to up, any thaoughts?

Post by wilsonj » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:03 am

Hi,

I'm only new to the UP machine but I'll have a stab.

Firstly have a look through this forum, as the cubify has been discussed a few times.

General consensus is that print quality is currently equal or less than that of the UP.

The kicker is of course, its not available.

Sorry, can't give any advice as to suitability of printing war hammer figures. But I can't see why you couldn't.
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Re: Compairing cubify to up, any thaoughts?

Post by Marcus » Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:40 am

The prints that have higher quality are no doubt out of their "cloud print" service. That's like buying an UP and printing at shapeways ;-) ;-)
The other prints do not look like they match the UP quality at all, but it is not very clear what was printed on the machine and what was printed elsewhere.
I read somewhere that it might be reprap based, so you can be asured that they probably have a matching layer thickness setting, but when it comes to rafts, overhangs and such I am pretty sure the UP software beats them. And if you look at the rafts on the chess set and the overhangs at the horse's head/body it looks like it has to be finished a lot more. Some layers of the shoe look awefull, like belt slipping or something. And the stuff they had in one of their videos was bigger then the printer's plattform, so probably out of the "cloud service" as well.

Untill someone owns both printers or at least is able to provide a few prints from a cubify printer, we can't really tell.
I have yet to see a print with a caliper/ruler which has overhangs and fine details.
Printing "chubby" chess figures is no big deal as they are very thick and solid, and the details come from the thin layers. Overhangs, thin details and such are what makes a printer good. And part of it is software- the UP creates great automated support structures that break away easily.

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Re: Compairing cubify to up, any thaoughts?

Post by pleppik » Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:55 pm

hpearson wrote: I am worried about the price per cartridge for the cube and possibly limited software.
The price difference for buying the printer itself is not that great--a few hundred dollars at most.

The material costs for the Cube are much higher, however. My best guess is 4x to 10x the price of the Up material (Cubify doesn't really say how much plastic is in a cartridge). By your third or fourth reel of Up filament, the Up will be cheaper--and its reasonable to go through a reel of filament in a week or two. I did.

As others have pointed out, though, this is all irrelevant right now since you can't actually buy a Cube.

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Re: Compairing cubify to up, any thaoughts?

Post by Minestorm » Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:27 pm

http://cubifyfans.blogspot.co.uk/

Looks pretty easy to use. Although, I would like more settings if I was to buy one.

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Re: Compairing cubify to up, any thaoughts?

Post by JuliaDee » Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:55 am

It will be interesting to watch the collision of worlds here: the maker community and its free content and multi-sourced raw materials, and the closed world of give away the razors and make money on the blades. I know that businesses are in business to make money, but their model is so transparent and so late and the content and materials so insanely overpriced I find it all very crass. Also I'm dubious about the technology being ready for the masses yet - is your average person really ready to do that vertical calibration and table leveling every so often? They've not shown themselves to be very nimble; by the time they get any momentum, the maker community may be well along the SLA road to 50 microns...

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Post by Minestorm » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:13 pm

The material costs for the Cube are much higher
I just read on a blog that the Cube's filament 'cartridges' have a PCB on them. Which I take as meaning only Cube filament can be used (like with ink cartridges / toner). :roll:

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Post by Steelyd » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:18 pm

Here is a good example of the quality of the cube. If my UP! started printing like this is would get returned. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULW_YeQUzpE

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Post by amd-tec » Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:20 pm

Anyone printed that "cubify" part with UP! ?
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Re: Compairing cubify to up, any thaoughts?

Post by wilsonj » Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:27 pm

Interesting to see the de-laminated layers part ways up. I also get this with some models due to the ABS warping.

The other thing I noticed was the support columns don't look like they were built straight, almost like something moved. My UP prints beautiful support columns that are very straight.

Given the cubify is only a little less expensive than the UP the performance looks rather poor. At least from that example.
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Post by JuliaDee » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:34 pm

I've certainly had some splits/delaminations on DIzingof models with my Up!, but what I find appalling in this Cube math vase print video is the lack of detail at the top of the sculpture - ugh.

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Re: Compairing cubify to up, any thaoughts?

Post by Minestorm » Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:34 am

I was very tempted to buy a cube, but I'm certainly put off now.

I'm going to buy an UP! mini when it gets to the UK next month.

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Re: Compairing cubify to up, any thaoughts?

Post by eyUP » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:33 am

I just read on a blog that the Cube's filament 'cartridges' have a PCB on them. Which I take as meaning only Cube filament can be used (like with ink cartridges / toner)
@Minestorm - can you post a link to that please ? IMO This would be a big negative of the Cube (apart from the obviously poorer quality prints)

I've also just read that you must activate the Cube before using it (like Apple do with iPhones) (link here)
That makes me think that it will be difficult (impossible ?) to fool the system into using any old filament if the cartridge requires registration as well ?? :roll:
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Re: Compairing cubify to up, any thaoughts?

Post by Minestorm » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:48 am

http://cubifyfans.blogspot.co.uk/2012/0 ... -ways.html

It's in one of the comments at the bottom of the page. The guy is recommending he remove the PCB from the cartridge before drying it out in an oven.

I'll ask the blogger (Tom Meeks) to confirm, as he's the only person I've seen who's actually got a cube.

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Re: Compairing cubify to up, any thaoughts?

Post by Minestorm » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:12 pm

Yes, just confirmed. The filament carts are indeed 'chipped' :evil:

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Re: Compairing cubify to up, any thaoughts?

Post by Steelyd » Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:35 pm

That's pretty bad. Oh well, they'll sell many Cubes to people not willing to do a few hours of research.

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Re: Compairing cubify to up, any thaoughts?

Post by eyUP » Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:16 am

That's pretty bad
...but good ammunition for the UP! marketing people ;)
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Re: Compairing cubify to up, any thaoughts?

Post by APA » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:00 pm

Hi, I'm new to the forum and have been trying to decide which 3D printer to buy. I was interested upon seeing the Cubify, but in doing more research and especially stumbling upon this forum have really been leaning towards buying an UP.

Has anyone done similar testing on the UP to what Tom Meeks has posted on his blog? Examples such as:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULW_YeQU ... r_embedded
The object is available for download at: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:23836

Also:
http://cubifyfans.blogspot.com/2012/05/ ... riend.html
http://cubifyfans.blogspot.com/2012/06/ ... -ways.html

It would be great to see that the UP produces similar or better results. I poked around a bit on the forums here but didn't see anything. If someone could point the way it would be appreciated. Thanks!

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Re: Compairing cubify to up, any thaoughts?

Post by pp3dp.nl » Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:59 pm

Complex Vase Dizingof 2.jpg
Complex Vase Dizingof 1.jpg
Hello all, I'm new to the forum too and I want to post some pictures of my prints. I hope I posted this the right way!

I printed a complex vase by Dizingof last week and it looks very nice! Thanks to Julia Dee I wanted to try some Dizingof models for myself, too. I have to say I'm very impressed.

I'll try to place some pictures of my models in the ''Models'' threads too.

Greetings from Holland

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Re: Compairing cubify to up, any thaoughts?

Post by wackojacko » Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:13 pm

Well done, or maybe we should say high fives to the UP team for creating such a fantastic making machine! This model compared to the cube model is much better, there are no loopies, there is no obvious splitting and the holes are clean- we need a better hires photo to better compare. But best of all no chip on the consumables on the UP.

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